We can listen to, and analyse his speech in two ways.
Either in the absolute value of its content, breaking it down and assuming he’s a big boy and knows what he’s saying and where that positions him.
OR - as a typical AIPAC speech, which means that we acknowledge that he’s kissing the buttocks of the
We have to do both, because, while we can excuse him for temporary madness - it is AIPAC after all, so he has to go a little nuts at the thought of the cash taps (or lack thereof); but he’s still a big boy and must be held to his words.
I’ll still cut him some slack, though.
Of course, he said everything he had to say: that he feels for the Israelis fearful for their lives, that he will do anything for
Of course he absolved
Abbas is blah, Hamas totally sucks.
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And he asked Arab countries to normalize with
In short, Obama will bend over whenever
Actually - that's fine. And expected.
(Picture from armed with knowledge)
HOWEVER.
There was a lot of crap being said, and far-reaching crap moreover that we can’t let fly.
He believes that the 2006 Palestinian elections - which he opposed (audience clapping, clapping) led to a “
Wow. That’s quite a shortcut. It’s like blaming Gutenberg for Danielle Steel’s novels...
He will stand by Palestinians “committed to crack down on terror and carry the burden of peacemaking”.
Juxtapose that with Edward Said’s timeless reminder that “Since when does a militarily occupied people have the responsibility for a peace movement?” and you’ll know that Obama doesn’t read Said. Or, you know, History.
He did mention that Israel should - well, might want to - ease restrictions on the Palestinians and refrain from building new settlements (though expanding existing ones is okay? And new outposts, still okay?), “as agreed to do with the Bush administration” - so he doesn’t want to bear the stigma of having made Israel do something it doesn’t like, even if it means crediting Bush for it? Ridiculous.
“Petrodollars pay for weapons that kill American troops and Israeli citizens.”
WHAT?
And “Israeli action was entirely justifiable to end (the Syrian nuclear) threat”. Huh? Coming from someone who knows that the info about this very event (Israeli bombing a military (non-nuclear) building INSIDE
As for the “
TOO MUCH TOO EARLY, BARRY BOY. I blame that on inexperience - and a stupid speechwriting crew.
Going against reason, justice, and International Law shouldn’t be used to get a few pats on the back at the AIPAC conference. That’s the kind go stuff you leave for real election time. Obama fired the fireworks six months before New Year’s Eve.
The problem is that now he’s forced to backtrack and explain why he said those obscenities. “Flip-flopping” was heard a lot in the days following the speech... and that will surely damage his campaign. (here's an example -- an aide explained the 'Undivided' comment by... "Obama meant that "the holy city won't be divided by barbed wire". Pffffwhahahahahaha).
I never had any illusions about Obama being anywhere near balanced when it came to the
There is nevertheless a limit to how low a politician can stoop - or so I thought.
Oh, and he blamed
Give me my 25 dollars back, you son of a bitch.



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What, you are not an Obama supporter now? I can't believe my eyes!!! *blinking*
I guess since I studied political science and I developed the gift for seing the BS in every political speech, Obama does not impress me. But I shall be voting for him... *sigh*
I guess that after this speech he moved, in my eyes, from 'the best candidate around' to 'the lesser of two evils'. I am disappointed, even though I should've seen it coming.
*Sigh* too.
F****** Gutenberg !
Seg. -- J'ai eclate de rire a haute voix au milieu du bureau.
Merci!
Palestinians are responsible for a peace movement because they have been committing mass murder and demanding Israel's obliteration. And does it really take an asshole to object to weapons entering Gaza from Egypt?
No - but it takes an asshole to blame Egypt, who is not allowed to monitor its own borders with anything but essentially infantry and handguns as per the terms of the 1979 peace treaty, for it. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
As for palestinians committing mass murder --
Really??
700 Gazans killed in the past year in retaliation for 2 dead soldiers and one kidnapped, and you say Palestinians are committing mass murder?
During the Vietnam war, the US peace movement, born in the agressing country, was key to ending the war. I don't think anyone said it was the responsibility of the Vietnamese to start a non-violent resistance movement and demonstrate peacefully for the withdrawal of American troops, was it?
I do say Palestinians have committed mass murder, and Israelis have been committing atrocities,although(in the current intifada)Palestinians did it first. If we consider the whole intifada,the ratio of dead noncombatants hasn't been as high as you suggest--somewhat under three to one against Palestinians.(the Israeli toll over the past year is 16 civilians,not two soldiers,and your figure for Palestinian dead for the past 12 months is more than twice that of Human Rights Watch).
If Vietnam had bordered on the United States, if Vietnamese were demanding the destruction of America,and if American civilian dead were over a third those of Vietnam,yes,a Vietnamese peace movement would have been a good idea.
Aaron Carine: I'm afraid I won't wet my feet in the numerical swamp you're treading in. First because the definition of 'combatants' you use is probably 'any person about the age of 6' and the "Palestinians did it first" is also a moot point because I'm sure there's no changing your mind.
What is happening to Palestinians IS mass-murder. I'm sorry, but look reality in the face a bit, my friend.
As for the peace movement: by nature of things, the one getting pummeled is the one asking to halt the fight, no? but because they're the weaker party, well, their opinion matters.. little, to be polite. The strong party - Israel in this case, or perhaps the international community at large - should have the impulse to call for an end of hostilities.
(oh, and btw - my numerical figure was from BBC News).
No, I don't define a noncombatant as anyone over the age of six. I thought you were capable of rational exchange rather than slander. My mistake.
It is not a moot point and you could change my mind by providing evidence to the contrary,which you have not done.
Since I said that Israelis have committed atrocities,and since I spent my time at Elder of Ziyon calling attention to Israeli acts of mass murder over the decades,I don't see how I am failing to face reality. Oh,right,that was another ad hominem attack.
Palestinians are not asking to halt the fight. Hamas(and some others)are calling for the obliteration of Israel and have killed 775 civilians since the start of the intifada. I stand by the assertion that this is reason for a Palestinian peace movement. 9/11, Madrid,Lockerbie,Luxor,and many other episodes demonstrate the need for an Arab peace movement(We already have a Western one).
I meant to write "combatant" above.
"slander"?? Easy on the big words, my friend...
I think you're mixing up a number of things.
You filter the numbers to tally up 'non-combatants' on the assumptions that anyone that Israel claims to be a militant is a legit target - which is not the case.
Nevertheless, the definition used for Palestinian civilians is that of those 'who did not participate in hostilities' -- an unfair comparison since Israeli settlers, for instance, and responsible for numerous acts of violence but are still considered to be civilians.
Now I have to go look for casualty numbers because you insist on playing this gruesome numbers game (although I fail to see the purpose of this because no matter how we filter the results Palestinian victims will still be several multiples of the Israeli ones.
Anywho...
So total numbers are, since the beginning of the Intifada:
4862 Pal / 1057 Isr (4.6 multiples)
Children:
1050 Pal / 123 Isr (8.5 multiples)
Civilians (under the definition provided above)
2224-3146 Pal / 723 Isr (3 to 4.3 multiples)
I suggest you go to (http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/deaths.html) for more numbers...
As for an Arab peace movement and the attacks you cite -- hmmm, you're talking about terrorist attacks here. So it's not a peace movement that you're looking for but a more vocal condemning public opinion - and I would tend to agree. Maybe not for the same reasons but the end result is that I agree, Arabs need to condemn this stuff more strongly.
It's cool that there's a peace movement in the West; unfortunately, it's worth little because we have seen the pattern of foreign influence on Israeli actions - close to nil.
Hence, what we need is a peace movement within Israel that would convince/coerce their government to change its politics in the Palestinian territories. End the occupation. Etc etc.
And this is yet to be achieved.
It is a slander when you say I support killing anyone over six. And I don't assume that anyone the IDF says was a militant was a militant. I get figures on those "not participating in hostilities" from B'tselem and Human Rights Watch(B'tselem's definition is a little too broad). If some Israeli settlers engaged in violence before being murdered,some of the Palestinian victims probably did too.
The reason for the gruesome numbers game is that you spoke of only two Israeli soldiers killed,and would not acknowledge that Palestinians have committed murder. Your figures on the civilian casualty ratio are not far from the "less than three to one" ratio I cited(I included foreigners murdered by Hamas). So what are you arguing about?
We also need a change in Palestinan policies,so we need a Palestinian peace movement. Ending Arab terror will require a transformation in the Arab world,which is something peace movements are good for.
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