Thursday, October 15, 2009

If this is why you're making children - don't.

Friends who have, or are actively trying to have children will have to forgive me. I'm sure you're doing it for the right reasons. Most people, however, aren't.


We are supposed to be highly evolved creatures. We can envision the future. We know we're not doing it for the survival of the race. And it isn't a sexual impulse being fulfilled, we know how to control this - this, and birth control.
Could it be because our species still abides by a maternal/paternal (to a lesser extent) impulse?

Not all. It makes no logical sense.

The fact that it's a (near-)religious edict, to marry and make children and so on - سنة الحياة and the like - is only proof that there's something inherently illogical in the act of generating offspring: humanity needs all the encouragement - including the heavenly kind - to take the leap.

Why do people make children?

Picturing the happy months of pregnancy, and the adorable little thing subsequently produced can only be a partial explanation. Yes, you will have a beautiful baby that you will love unconditionally and that will drive you crazy but you'll still be looking forward to it. Yes, it will be absolutely amazing the first time your baby holds your finger.

But picturing the lifelong emotional roller-coaster, thinking forward to when your child is 15, full of pimples, dyes her hair in blue and declares she hates you every other hour - should be a good enough antidote to the mental image of rosy cheeks.

There must be more complex explanations. I can think of two. And neither, I'm afraid, is flattering.

We all seek to live fulfilling lives. Most try to do so through their careers.
In reality, few succeed.
A complementary source of gratification therefore comes from having children: after all, it's easy to do and is celebrated as a grand achievement!

Otherwise, why would the line "I knew my life had a purpose the minute I first held you in my hands" be such a recurrent one in father-and-son television scenes?

Precisely because the average person's life is unfulfilling, purposeless. The need to find a 'purpose' seemingly compels them to, well, generate little versions of themselves. Having children, in itself, gives them a sense of purpose, because you realise that society gives you the challenge of doing a good job raising this child which you engendered.
It's your retribution to society. You brought it here, you bring it up.

The following reason is related to the first:
The need to feel useful. Again, we love being depended upon. The go-to guy. Of course most people do it by achieving a certain level of professional expertise.

Failing this, some people will, once again, make a child. A tiny human being, so fully dependent on them for every little thing should be sufficient to provide a feeling self-worth, of usefulness.

Both reasons are not a good enough justification of having a child. Unfortunately, they probably account for more than a few


Who knows: I might have some of my own one of these days. Perhaps I'll be doing it for the right reasons, and perhaps I won't. I'll let you know.


26 comments:

aliyah06 said...

All I can say is I'm sorry I didn't marry earlier and have more...I know parents who become parents for the reasons you set forth. Fortunately, they're a minority. And I know some who have babies to make their spouses stay with them when he shouldn't. And some do it for doctrinaire reasons--because they've been brainwashed to have only one for the sake of Zero Population Growth or 12 because some religious piety commands it.

But most people I know have children because they love children, and love having their own children in their own family, and love having the wonder of new life discovering the universe in front of them every day. I was truly excellent at my career and worked hard to achieve that level of professional expertise.....but if I had it to do over again, I'd have started my family much earlier. Of these two things, I find children and family are both more difficult and are the more rewarding.

I hope you discover this yourself some day. Marry for the right reasons.

As for blue hair.....it grows out. The same child who tells you at 15 how much she hates you and how stupid you are is the child who at 26 calls you to talk about her kids and/or career.

Khaled said...

Mohammad.... I think that having children might be as well thought of as a way to have people around you when you are old enough not to be able to take care of yourself. You need someone to care of you and your child will.... one day.... need someone else as well.

الله لا يعيزك لحد

Savtadotty said...

Here are a few of other reasons, although I wouldn't label them "good" or "bad." After all, you wouldn't exist to ask this question if your parents had been 100% rational (and I wouldn't exist to answer it):

1. Having a child as a living product of the love between the parents, their gift to the world.
2. Having a child to repair some damage: e.g. to be a better parent than the one you had and heal that wound.
3. Having a child to keep up with the world's changes: seeing them through their generation's eyes, not only your own.
4. Insatiable curiosity. Dangerous, but exciting.

Anonymous said...

And although I realize this is not the case I can't refrain from saying - MAZAL TOV - such a nice way to announce your new status...

Jonathan

Reb Barry said...

The biological urge to reproduce is still very strong,ask any woman who has felt the "clock ticking" when she was in her mid-30s. Why do you think men are sloppy about birth control?

It's somewhat trite, but no one else has said it, so I'll say it -- having children will transform your life, and teach you things about life, about love, about your values, about yourself that you can't begin to imagine. It totally transforms your life. For the better.

And not all teenagers are terrible. I've survived two -- three to go -- and thank God the first two got through without ever saying "I hate you!" :-) And blue hair isn't that bad, really, once you get used to it.

maria said...

I see. there are indeed some people who have children for these reasons on your post. It' quite pitiful indeed. one wonders what were you before? did you wait to be a parent to exist as a person? These kind of people not only do not speak about other things than their kid (past the first year I consider it unpolite to the rest of people),but they can't even conceive that other people do not folow the same path as them in life and procreate!!

Said that, if only for statistics reasons, all parents can't be like this! I'm a 33 yrs single woman and I'd like one day to have a family (not merely "children") although I know it's more difficult every day that passes. Building a family is not merely procreating.It's much more than that, and much more difficult.

What's the point of living for yourself all your life? Useful, you can be through your job or through community engagements of all sorts...why look for that in children?

what about love? love for your partner? desire to build somethign bigger than our own little person? or simple desire to bring life to this world? As a woman I consider it a wonderful idea to feel a baby growing in my womb, from a father/partner that I love...that could not be wrong or pitiful, right?

(Just have to find the father, I guess, then ;-))

Shari said...

There is DEFINITELY nothing rational about having kids, except the basic rationality of life and evolution. If we didn't feel the urge to have kids, the species would die off, and then where would we be? Existential limbo is not an evolutionary pressure. But sexual desire, and the urge to have kids, definetely is.

After having raised two of these creatures, I also can say its a fun and dnagerous adventure (thanks Savta Dotty!), and totally worth it. Truly amazing experience.

Billie said...

Children are also an attempt to overcome or take the sting out of mortality. And this is coming from someone who very much wants to have a family and watch children grow.

wael said...

children are parasites! not to mention the are walking petri dishes with arms and legs.

thats what makes the world go-around---stupid people procreate and genius' die young! as for myself not a genius, just a vagabond passing through life.

cheers

J. said...

Parenthood is the most difficult thing I've ever experienced. Had I known...

There are already too many people in the world. Invest the 40 minutes and have that vasectomy now. (I had mine on a Monday and by Friday was back on my motorcycle. All to say that it's no big deal...)

Or... watch the movie "Idiocracy" and start procreating like bunnies.

Mo-ha-med said...

I must say - this one of those moments when I'm *really* glad I have this blog. Otherwise, how could I have got all those different, divergent opinions, all this advice and experience you're sharing.. wow!
Thank you, everyone!

Aliyah - you do realise I'm yet to meet your boy, huh? All your fault, too! :)
I guess the blue hair does grow out. I just can't picture having to go through, well, a teenage me.
(no blue hair. Silver streaks, though, for a very brief period of time.)

Khaled
I know what you mean. That's a very cultural thing though. You and I share it but it's not really a universal thing, is it?

Savtadotty
You're right. It's hard to judge whether those reasons are 'good' or 'bad'. But - aren't they a tad, hmm, self-centered?
Then again, the decision mainly concerns the couple so I guess they're entitled to be selfish..

Jonathan
Hmmm, well thank you, I guess?
Imagine that was really my announcement for having a child. The mother would probably kill me.

Reb Barry
I am aware of the clock ticking concept. In fact, Socrates wrote that the perfect for procreation is 40 for men, and 25 for women.
Well, I guess I'll have to wait and see about the 'life-transforming' experience. I would've guessed it, though.

Your girls are amazing, btw, all three of them.

Maria
Tell me about the 'people not being willing to consider that you're not keen on having children'. According to my extended family, I should already have a child, perhaps two.

But living your life for yourself? Why is that? There's a world in need of saving out there! To impact a life, you don't need to create it from scratch, there's plenty of need out there!

But no - no reason is pitiful. All are good for those who have them.

Good luck finding the perfect man...
And sorry, I'm taken.

Shari
Love the 'existential limbo is not an evolutionary pressure'. I might quote that one. :)
And, well, I'm delighted, truly, that it's been fun and dangerous. :)

Billie
Hey, long time no speak!
Yeah, but why? Technically, I'll be long gone before my name is, so what does it matter really?

Wael
Ok, that's a clearcut opinion. Thanks! :)
This said, I do know geniuses who procreate. Thankfully for humanity!
Good luck with the vagabonding...

J
Absolutely hilarious. I'll check about this vasectomy thing at one point. Right now I still want to keep my options open.
Glad to know you're back motorbiking. Seattle a bike-friendly town?

Hope I didn't miss anyone...

Andy Shokry said...

I agree with you... enough said!

Khaled said...

Well Moh... I have always wondered whether we teach our parents to be dis functional by caring too much about them..... Thus, harming them in one way or another...

A said...

Mohamed I really like your post. I just have a couple of things to share with you!

First, I am reminded of this scene in a movie (can't remember which) where the guy and the girl decide to have a baby and he says to her "our parents screwed us up, why can't we do the same?!!" I don't why I just remembered this.

And another thing, I was just reading a novel where the characters were debating the issue of procreation and one of them said something like "you can only decide to have a baby when you have completely reconciled with the world and decide to bring a child to live in this cruel, irrational world and therefore I will never have a baby" and actually I think he's right and I feel like I will never have a baby for the same argument!!

I hope I haven't said too much nonsense..

cheers buddy!

Mikey from NYC said...

I've never wanted children, but I am pretty sure I want grandchildren. Just not right now.

aliyah06 said...

Nu, so come back to visit us and meet him! And if he's willing to join us, bring Khaled, because I haven't met him except here and since we're neighbors, it would be nice to meet in person.....and I have to ask...what do you mean, you're "taken." Is there a simcha in the future? Is that what prompted this musing [grin]?

I think you'll make a splendid father.

maria said...

Moh,

hum. you're the first one saying there are bad reasons to have kids(your post!)....now you say any reason's good, for those who have them? hum. whateveeeer
btw, I worked in the humanitarian sector for a while. In the unlikely event this impacted some people's lives, I can't really compare the experience with motherhood. And yes, I was still living for myself....
:-)

Mo-ha-med said...

Andy - thanks!

Khaled - our parents? You mean, our children? But then, we can't help it. It's genetic...

A - Thanks!
Wasn't that Nicolas Cage in the Rock? (and right after he gives her the 'fucked-up world' argument, she tells him she's pregnant... :)

Mikey - Hmmm. That's gonna be tricky.
I know - get the girl pregnant, disappear for 30 years, and resurface when your kid has babies of his own.
Though, chances are, he'll hate you.

Aliyah06 - Well, I just might. ;)
No, no such thing in the future, I'm afraid!
I wrote this thing weeks ago and only decided to post it now...

Maria - I see your point. I don't think there's a contradiction though. I think some arguments are seriously fucked up. But reading all the comments above, the people sharing their feelings - I don't have to agree but hey, if something works for someone, who am I to tell them it shouldn't?

J. said...

Got my vasectomy back when I lived in Washington D.C. (a few years ago). Understandable that you want to keep options open. But when the time is right and you need a little pep-talk, you know where to come... :)

And yes - Seattle is a motorcycle friendly town.

You ride? If so, keep the shiney side up!

Cesario said...

I don't know, I don't like kids and I don't want to have them and I totally agree with what you're saying.
The point is having kids might be an act of love, but isn't love itself selfish? people go on and on about how love is a selfless act, but really it's all about feeling appreciated and cared for, you love people for yourself first and then for others. When you love something, you feel good about yourself and that is in someway selfish.

I think having kids makes sense in some cases; if you have a legacy that you need to leave for someone, be it materialistic or intellectual, or if you live in a war-torn country and you need to prove the existence of your people by reproducing.

In the end, you're allowed to be selfish and I won't lie to you, but sometimes I envision my daughter(if she will exist) and how I would raise her to become an independent, empowered, accomplished woman, and a determined entity. However, I think people make the mistake of not getting to know themselves and accomplish their lives before they procreate and that's why things get messy. You have to be a whole person to be able to create another whole being.

Sorry for the long comment, I was kind of thinking out loud. Nice post though.

Shari said...

I still say its all about evolution and preservation of the species. Intellectual and emotional arguments are less powerful, no?

Lirun said...

i dont think anyone can judge

Mo-ha-med said...

J - hahaha... thanks, will do!

Cesario (btw, what's the story of your username?) "You have to be a whole person to be able to create another whole being."
Nii-iice.
And, yes, there are extreme conditions, such as war, but that's still a small part of the total world procreation, no?

Shari - A romantic you are, aren't you! :)

Lirun - but we can pontificate. That's the fun about blogging.

Lirun said...

pontifiwho?

Mo-ha-med said...

Hmm, am I making words up again? Checking the dictionary..

Pontificate: verb. Talk in a dogmatic and pompous manner

Essentially, coming up with opinions and ideas out of our asses and defending them as the absolute truth. Fun!

Cesario said...

At one time in my life I was a Shakespeare fanatic, the username is the nickname of Viola in Twelfth night when she was disguised as a boy.
Yes, it's a small part if you are born under normal circumstances, but don't you think that being born in a war-torn country gives you an automatic purpose in life? You really don't have to work for a purpose like the rest of us, which kind of proves that if one thing comes easy, the rest will be very difficult.
Everything in our lives have become really meaningless and I guess our challenge in life is to find meaning in everything we do(while our parents accuse us of over-thinking stuff). Our way of life has to change, I don't know if it will anytime soon, but it really has become devoid of value and appreciation.
Again, sorry for the long comment.